Have they watched something? I wondered if there was a fight, Bella saw him strangle her mother and ran into the basement to hide from him. Chris cleaned all that up so quickly and completely?. Jami I have 1 question for you. They manipulate, connive and plot. The autopsy report details her cause of death and injuries. If the digestive tract opens up at death, where did Shannan, Bella and Celeste poop? And dropped her in alive? In this day and age, OCD has become a replacement word for ritualistic behaviour and personal idiosyncrasies. Heartbreaking evidence photos and video of stained shirt, underwear and bra Shanann Watts was wearing when her husband murdered her, wrapped her in a sheet and put her in shallow grave The. His mom I think knew about it prior. Now remember this would be AFTER strangling Shannan carrying her to their room & putting her in bed, so at least 5 minutes and since it would have taken about 4 minutes for CeCe to die 9 minutes had passed supposedly since Shannan had been in her room. Its in the autopsy x. The phone was found in the cushions of that upstairs couch, not the downstairs couch. Good to have a former forensic detective around. Here is what the International OCD Foundation says. Also just because she was strangled and they were suffocated doesnt mean dirt. Seemed to me like she kept everything clean that you could see. As CrimeOnline previously reported, Chris Watts tried to pin the murders of 3-year-old Celeste and 4-year-old Bella on his wife when he first confessed to murdering Shanann, who was 15 weeks pregnant at the time. He kills both witnesses and the rest is history. Watts previously told investigators that Shannan's killing. After reading the 2000 page discovery & the autopsy report & listening to the FBI agent talk about other cases I learned that smothering by manual force is done very frequently to children. He has an incredible amount of knowledge and has a lot of experience being an investigative reporter and author of many blogs and books. She was always busy. Chris Watts. Mommys earned this. It seems likely she even planned to use her pregnancy and 3rd child in service to her MLM addiction see https://crimerocket.com/2018/11/02/shanann-watts-intended-to-brand-baby-niko-and-credit-thrive-for-her-perfect-pregnancy-but-her-plan-backfired/. Because she was submerged in oil for four days. The graphic autopsy reports detail the condition of all three bodies after they were recovered from an oil site owned by Anadarko Petroluem, where Chris Watts buried them. Listen to the cop who interrogated him after he tells that stupid story. @Nick I thought the bedsheets in the bedroom were soiled? Thats all information in police interviews with Shananns friends. He was photographed head to toe upon booking & was found to have no offensive wounds on him anywhere. Cassie Rosenberg Page 626 Maybe im not reading this correctly or i missed it but what proof does this autopsy shows that chris beyond a reasonable doubt killed his kids? He cared more about his 2 month relationship with that home wrecker then the 6 years he spent with his wife and the lives of his children. Three days after the murders, on August 16, police discovered Shanann's body in a shallow grave and the girls stuffed inside nearby oil tanks on the . In the 2000 page report that was released they pose the theory that she may have been asleep while attacked. FACT: 100% yes again), @Kim cadaver dogs dont just detect bodies they scent death, trauma sites, bodily fluids relating to death, and sites where arguments have taken place (they scent the adrenaline-type hormones released Once Shanann got in bed and settled to sleep, he then got on her and, like a snake, squeezed the life out of his prey. She asked him to keep the receipt for taxes. I wrote a book that tried to integrate information, not just throw the information in the air and shrug. Terrifying to think he could have put them in the tanks still alive but incapacitated. The Netflix show details the deteriorating relationship between Chris and Shanann, who began suspecting her husband was having an affair and felt he was suddenly pulling away from her, a fact she spilled to numerous friends in anguished text messages. Does this mean Bella was still alive when she was dropped into the tank? But the way he disposed of their bodies and took them out of school, I dont believe that at all. The autopsy is commenced at 1730 hours, on August 17, 2018 on the body of Celeste Watts at the McKee Medical Center, Loveland, CO. D Oil, water and sludge debris in the stomach This story breaks my heart. Then he felt he had to kill CeCe too. Please have respect for people who suffer with the condition, and research it before you comment about it. of OCD triggers and symptoms. I consider it strange to have them there FT at their age, given the business she was inseems like it could have been done around an at home schedule for the girls, IMO. She wouldnt have gone to bed without her phone. Remember, she was pregnant. Dont forget, she is pregnant. Weld County DA In the text, Shanann also tells Chris that he hasn't shown any signs of missing her in the weeks they have been apart. Neither of them passed any body fluids. Im a survivor. Theyd quietly suffocate no violent confrontation, very peaceful. Also in his re-enactment they also didnt add up. While officers were waiting, Christopher confessed to killing Shanann, and getting rid of the bodies of Celeste and Bella. Of course we dont know what shes talking about. CW planned it, read it up. I think she was killed in the basement, just by the bottom of the staircase, by the fridges and the area where they stored old rope. Chris said Shanann arrived home from a trip. Netflix viewers believe a murdered wife sent police a clue from beyond the grave after spotting something "creepy" in the doco about her brutal murder at the hands of her cheating husband. I know plenty of women who wear their bras to sleep, myself included. Hence, no struggle, no stretches. Shes not going to carry her suitcase up the stairs because of her pregnant state, and she wasnt feeling well. I know it is morbid but I do hope that CW gets his just desserts in jail and those other inmates show him some of the terror that his beautiful girls would have experienced in the last moments of their life. Only feces already in the lower part of the large intestine/colon is going to evacuate and even then- it depends on the position of the body, the amount of decomposition and rigor mortis. Maintaining compression in a Stranglehold after unconsciousness is rendered may result in death. I also believe he would have thought out a better place to bury them. He had a plan to kill them all, all along. The floors in the closets had a lot of junk on them, her nightstand drawer was a mess. Otherwise I cant imagine why she didnt go for his eyes etc. And in his own words under his own free will he admitted he act it killed his kids twice before that was ever said. The body is that of a well-developed, well-nourished Caucasian female whose appearance is generally consistent with the Also ethanol in the oil would not seep into the spleen in a body in 3 days to produce a high level like that, besides most ethanol is extracted through many processes prior to any petroleum company dumping the waste oil. The carpet was cleaned, and laundry done in the Peterson case. I didnt see any evidence that Shanann tried to defend herself, probably because he sat on top of her. That could explain what possibly happened to Bella if she woke up and was going to see what was going on. The manner of death is homicide, the autopsy for Bella said. While some muscles spontaneously contract after death and though all muscles eventually tighten into rigor mortis others are loosening their grip entirely. In the report, (link below) stories of financial devastation, destruction of relationships, and even murders and suicides paint a vivid picture of an industry built on lies and deception a business that focuses its greedy eyes on the naive and the vulnerable. So its OCD when it comes to what people see, both house and life if you will..but a suitcase at 2 am, 4 months pregnant, I could easily see her saying nope to carrying that suitcase upstairs. Shanann Was Wrapped in a Sheet & Buried in a Shallow Grave That Watts Dug With a Shovel Police reportsThe crime scene. As a woman, I never go to sleep with my bra on. The bra thing means nothing, my daughter is big busted as well and slept in her bra when she was pregnant because her breasts that were tender were less bothersome at night if she wore one. @nickdvl. Murdering someone through strangulation doesnt take that long. For the sake that they did poop, youre assuming he didnt clean it up in the bed. The coroner even said the way she was strangled is indicative of a person not putting up a fight. Lastly and not related to your book, I continuously read people stating that the only bruises on Shananns body were the on the right side of her neck. If he straddled her chest, and pins her arms down with his knees, she would have been incapacitated. Your thoughts? There was no oil in Ceces stomach. The second dog was simply a tracker dog, not trained for cadavers but to track a missing person. It is a condition that causes you to have irrational and uncontrolled thoughts, and the only way to make the thoughts stop, is to perform a ritual. Shanann Watts' husband, Chris Watts allegedly confesses to murder The Colorado Bureau of Investigation reported that three-year-old Celeste Watts and four-year-old Bella Watts are also dead along with mom Shanann. Not a chance she would have run the risk of waking up the children by going into their rooms she knew theyd be fine as shed often said Chris was a good Dad. And then it was turned off. True Crime Analysis, Breakthroughs, Insights & Discussions Hosted by Bestselling Author Nick van der Leek. Surprised he didnt run them thru the washer. In reading about this case it would never occur to me to smother somebody in such a fashion. This was the 6th MLM that ShanAnn had been involved in she was apparently a MLM junkie. What is going on?? Gallstones form over a period of time, raised hormone levels in pregnancy contribute to them. She is OCD and very ritualistic in nature. Stranglehold Theory. Why would she quit her job to be a stay-at-home mom and then put the tots right into full-time daycare? There are no words . Also, I highly doubt Shanann was killed by pulling her down onto her back. Watts has since pleaded guilty to killing his wife and daughters, as well as a charge of unlawful termination of a pregnancy. He is responsible for his own actions, many people live with worse and dont kill anyone. The autopsy reports for Shanann Watts and her two young daughters show that all three were asphyxiated to death, and it's probable that 4-year-old Bella Watts fought for her life. would that be a normal time for Chris to leave for work? Unfortunately she never got the chance. https://www.medicaldaily.com/what-forensic-scientist-doesnt-tell-you-7-postmortem-responses-dead-body-314404. But then whats your scenario? The attack was pure power and violence. I will say one thing CW did NOT doat least he didnt rape his baby girlsha, like that makes him a good man, Yo i bet that thrive shit gave her that gallstone. At least I would have. Late stage of pregnant. @Nick I think she was killed by a surprise carotid choke (blood choke) rendering her unconscious within 3-6 seconds, hence no defence injuries, and dead in 30 seconds at the most. If Chris had not had the affair, he would not have killed his family! Do you think that maybe she was actually just unconscious? In addition, it became clear that she used bed as a punishment. Chris said he forgot the phone. The LeVel MLM was a huge contributing factor in this familys financial collapse. Bella has oil in her stomach but Celeste doesnt. Shanann was found in a shallow grave at an oil site near the drums. Also she seemed to have every intention to work things out while he was having an affair and according to him getting divorced. He stated in a letter to the reporter woman that he remembers her face streaking with mascara and blood filling her eyes. didnt attempt it herself. like others, cannot wrap my brain around his behavior. The cadaver dogs noted no presence of bodies in the basement however. Thoughts? Stomach: The stomach contains approximately 75mls of viscous green-black fluid which is suggestive of oil and particulate matter from the oil tank which she was in. Possible if the hips were gyrated slightly, titled vertically, the horizontal width could be reduced by an inch. Is there any way you can send it to my email please. But then I think if he didnt was he going to leave them at home alone all day? That goes against every human primal instinct we have, it just wouldnt happen. There is no soul in his eyes. No matter the circumstances he killed not 3 but 4 people including his unborn child. Defining post mortem bruising requires qualified scientific investigation. Amy thoughts on her? He did something to immobilize or pin down her arms. Chris worked at a petroleum manufacturing company. The t-shirt she was found in looks very similar to the one she is seen wearing in the neighbours cctv footage of her arrival back home. There is supposed to be a black smear mark on one of her pillows, possibly from makeup she was wearing, indicating that she was crying. Does this indicate that she was alive after being put into the oil tank? Like a scene from Friday the 13th. I just dont understand this. However, this method is especially brutal, sadistic, and intimate, as he he would see their dying eyes. If the children had cold pizza for tea at 7pm, that means they were still alive until at least 11pm. Kaye, this sounds plausible. Diana, this is something several of us have noted as well. So what Was his motivation for that? (blood chokes, carotid restraints or sleeper holds) I found nothing unusual with that part. Shed been drinking?? Exiting rooms. I am shocked shes not been charged too. Chris was plainly seen in the neighbors security video loading a red gas can into the back of his truck. I feel like maybe she did meet them. Ive wondered if he made her a drink when she got home, a smoothie with some type of alcohol that you wouldnt taste in it to knock her out because she didnt drink. The autopsy report said that Shanann had a "history of being reported. Look up alcohol levels in postmortem state. https://www.iol.co.za/capeargus/news/rohde-court-told-of-faeces-in-spier-hotel-room-15629834. I agree with you Jessica I wondered what became of the gas can. Celeste was found face down in that oil tank. But yeah I really think he was being nicer to her to assure she had her guard down when he murdered her; which was when she was sleeping, on the sofa upstairs on her phone or laptop, or god forbid he initiated some kind of intimacy that turned into her death. Also, wasnt her phone found in between couch cushions. Folks seem to think wanting to know why means supporting Watts or blaming his wife. I mean, nothing can be done of course, it is done and is over of course, I am stating the very obvious. External bruising may have been caused by the assailant releasing the victim after killing by stranglehold, and the victim falling onto an object which would cause small circular patternation and subsequent bruising. Watts previously told investigators that Shannan's killing was a spur-of-the-moment crime of passion and didn't admit to planning it. Prior to taking the test he was asked a bunch of questions one of them was name some ways you could make somebody disappear. The ground was visible disturbed. I have watched/listened to a lot of Nicks videos and am now working my way through his books, and I can honestly say that he is impartial and simply digs deep into the why of the case. The one person who took a few breaths almost immediately fainted. And where do you think he did it? When youre pregnant you do, breasts get tender and the extra support helps. Does anyone know where I can view the autopsy pictures and/or videos? This is horrific, shocking, my mind is greatly troubled by this aspect. They then start putting the idea in his head what happened, did one of the kids die & Shannan killed the other one & herself? Just asking a question. Youre obviously trolling! Kick him? She also wanted to make her marriage work. The reports concluded that all three victims died of asphyxiation Shanann was strangled while the two girls were smothered, according to the reports. According to the arrest affidavit and footage from a security camera in the interview room, he failed a polygraph test and subsequently confessed to murdering Shanann. Watts was having an affair with a woman named Nichol Kessinger, and Shananns texts show he had grown cold to her. The entire thing is horrific, but theres a lot of misinformation and misunderstanding going on several people mentioning the hyoid bone being in tact or the lack of patechia but I can tell you from experience- Ive seen severe patechia in a sick womans eyes and also in a drowning victim (age 2)- but in all 3 bodies Ive observed during transport or autopsy- none had patechia and none had thier hyoid disturbed- Ive only ever seen it broken in hanging/suicide cases or once in an auto accident that involved crushing injuries to the head and neck. No, ONE fully-formed, perfect adult and TWO fully-formed, perfect BABIES. Remember that Chris was sleeping in the basement at this time so they werent sharing a bed. I approached an expert to get his take on it, and was a little disappointed by his findings: https://crimerocket.com/2018/12/17/thomas-molletts-forensic-report-on-shanann-watts-post-mortem-blood-alcohol-level/. Please explain. Here is the parts in Shanann's autopsy report that says the stuff about how her hair was sloughing, that she had skin slippage & bloating/decomposing had started. Read Thomas Molletts forensic report https://crimerocket.com/2018/12/17/thomas-molletts-forensic-report-on-shanann-watts-post-mortem-blood-alcohol-level/. Pee and Poo Why does there always gotta be one of those? That alone speaks volumes how they were approaching their relationship. I took a lot of interest in the K9 footage as I had a SAR Shore Rescue dog for 13 years (best nose in Cornwall). The autopsy results aren't available, but the funeral and grave site suggest that Niko's remains were either removed, destroyed or buried with his mother. So Chris Watts said she barely got into bed, and soshe barely got into bed? Did you live with them? Her clothes were even coordinated by colour in the closet. It makes the crime even more heinous in my mind because it would have required a lot of thought concerning the logistics. To the extent on the spectrum that it played out is the horror. Its hard to fight a larger man off of you when held down, in fear of dying and trying to gasp for air. Also, I read that the kids were very light sleepers. How do you or any of us know what her last words to Chris were? Chris and or others..I tend to agreeShan ann was imodefinitely disabled at some pointBella maybe not..she fought hard. Thats a harsh indictment to a woman who cant defend herself. SWs flight delay was bad news, but since hed already gotten the girls out of the way, there was nothing left but to proceed with getting rid of SW and he almost got away with it. The entire thing is one of the worst cases Ive ever heard of- and I think about those poor responders who retrieved the bodies May they find peace from those memories some day soon. Once youre already unconscious from sleep & then start losing air from throttling it would make you very disoriented & hard to come to fully conscious state & fight back before losing total consciousness again. He tells his vindictive wife that he wants out. That is what is difficult; without a trial we have no way of knowing all the forensic evidence and what tests the state started to perform or did perform. She tells him youll never see the kids again he flips, kills her and poor little Bella sees it. I agree. With ShanAnn, IF she was attacked and killed shortly after she arrived home, while still downstairs, she would have still been dressed her underwear and pants would have caught it. @Carol: OCD appears at least 5 times in the Discovery Documents. A persons muscles relax upon death, including the sphincter. The autopsy is commenced at 1030 hours, on August 17, 2018 on the body of Shanann Watts at the McKee Medical Center, Loveland, CO. Youre not Shanann Watts. He was a mechanic. If we can believe his scenario, that also sounds like Shannn wasnt trying to kill her daughter like Chris thought, which meant neither of them killed her which leaves someone who must have entered the home by using an access code that wouldnt trip the alarm and I wonder who that might be ((cough*mistress*cough)) if Chriss scenario is correct of course! On Aug. 13, 2018, Chris strangled Shanann, 34, in their Colorado home. The girls were just in their pajamas; they werent wrapped in blankets. He just switched. I love that guy. Youll never see the kids again! WHATEVER!!! Not one place on his body? Shan'ann seemed to have a fairly mild case. Completely empty stomach contents doesnt necessarily indicate they died when Shanann died. Do you think her phone ended up where it was because thats how and where it left her hand? Even the few days shannan was gone. @Eleni Let me put it this way there is zero evidence that Shanann was upstairs. Meaning there should be no oil in her stomach just like cece. Found this research paper a stunning indictment of Multilevel Marketing (MLM) industry. He just didnt want another baby. People with OCD can have obsessions related to a wide variety of things, including losing control, hurting others, unwanted sexual thoughts, and many more. The male agent says did Shannan do one child & you the other? Her friend had to tiptoe around the place when she stayed over for fear of waking the kids up. Everyone did think I was the nutty one by what he said cause he was a great guy to them. That does not necessarily equate to being a psychiatric disorder, just personal empowerment. You can pooh-pooh OCD if its not you, but OCD especially for someone with a chronic disease tends to be quite significant. no she was a good mom who looked after her kids! Doesnt mean he couldnt have used his presence in the marital bed to induce her to get close to him and give him the opportunity. read befor comment on subjectit is well describedecomposition did this. As a former forensic detective I dont completely agree with the DAs comment that it is normal. Police reportsThe oil drums where the bodies were found. When you are larger or they are tender, especially when pregnant, it is easier to sleep in them. The kids had two wack jobs for parents. Makes sense since Shanann has zero marks indicating a struggle, I thought from the jump that she wasnt even awake when he killed her. Or do they just know? He would have had more than enough access to ethanol or similar alcohols. in any case, who the hell trusts anything coming from Chris Watts? He kind of giggled & said like you mean like on TV like a magician. And to come home to a cheating bum! They should have been talked to later. Poor Bella was smothered with extreme force to her face that it left bruising. Debbie do you have a link to that 411 Documentary please? Shannan did not have any marks on her face indicative of a punch, slap, or anything at all. ( oh & yes there were handprints in both sides of her neck according to autopsy ) on his arms? In fact, its not just the muscles but also the gas produced inside your body following death that will cause peeing and pooping. Peanuts and tree nuts are VERY different, and supposedly CeCe had a *tree nut* allergy coconut, not peanuts! They are finger prints from his hands. But hed then be a full time father leaving him not much time to galavant with NK except when a babysitter came. Who and/or what are we dealing with here? Mark your theory makes a lot of sense. Good point! Once into the oil she gulped in the toxic mix of oil, water and sludge and died as a result of this as well as being unconscious. Watts was arrested on August 15, 2018. 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