[13] In 1985, MacArthur was made President of Los Angeles Baptist College, now The Master's University, a four-year Christian liberal-arts college. So First Dallas Baptist is an acceptable mega church but the Village church isnt? [48][49], In February 2023 Christianity Today[50] published multiple instances of MacArthur's Grace Community church advising woman to stay with sexually and physically abusive husbands. What am I gonna do? But there is one criticism that I want to deal with in finishing. JOHN: When you go out the door, there's one for each of you. [46][47] He stated that there was a deadlier virus killing peoplethe virus of sinleading many to eternal death, in contrast to physical death. The point I made about Matt Chandler himself is that it took the pressure from outside his church to galvanise him into doing something. But again, whilst it is not my style, I dont see why it cant be done well, reverently and to the glory of God. Its only your perception and I would deny it. Btw, yes Im a pastor of a tiny church and I have worked multiple jobs all 20 years I have been at the church to make ends meet. To be really honest, I find it very difficult to muster up any Christian love for you when you respond to people in this way, though I do recognise that this is something I need Gods help with and forgiveness for. Your lack of apology (at very least regarding your amazon remarks) has only served to highlight the arrogance and childishness that you displayed in your replies. A prominent elder at John MacArthur's Grace Community Church (GCC) has resigned, stating in email leaked to The Roys Report that his "conscience and convictions" were not aligned with other GCC elders. For what its worth, I fully support your stand in almost everything else. John Fea | February 10, 2023 1 Comment. Outwith a Southern US culture it makes no sense and Im not sure that for many of my Southern friends it makes any sense either. If I had said that I wasnt happy with any mega church, that would have been a fault as well. MacArthur denied the charge, as attested on two tapes recorded in 1989 when he was asked to reason together with the IFCA man.[35], MacArthur advocates Young Earth creationism in his book The Battle For the Beginning (2001), and in his sermons. Cho resigned the next day. Then you will remember your evil ways and your wicked deeds, and you will loathe yourselves for your sins and detestable practices. In your second post you again make the false claim that I set Dallas against Chandler. The truth be told the Bible never once says it is wrong to have money or stuff. So I was pleased to see the topic addressed here, particularly as there is another story breaking about Mr Furtick in North Carolina even as I write this. Yes, some of it is biblical and Furtick is a good communicator, amusing, connected etc.but a great deal appears to pay only passing lip service to the Bible. Im not sure that things work in quite the same way in the US. I have a suspicion that much of the health and wealth teaching which is plaguing much of the church in Africa, Asia and South America is primarily an export from the US, with perhaps a little help from Europe, (all in the name of spreading the gospel). Just to settle this bit of your disagreement: http://www.amazon.co.uk/New-Calvinists-ES-Williams/dp/1908919329/, Wonderful thanksnow I can read it on my KindleI have no idea why that did not show on my Amazon page. And now I have to go and read his recommended book I hope its not as bad as the reviews suggest! John MacArthur was able to summarize Furtick as a minister with one word: unqualified. So issuing a challenge to either support them or decry them is meaningless. MacArthur also refused to enforce mask and social distancing guidelines for congregants. This submission to Jesus as Lord when converting to faith in Jesus Christ became known to Arminians as the Lordship salvation controversy in the 1980s. I wonder if you thought the same and you told me that in order to come across as thinking that you mentioned one which you thought was ok/good. Reiterating his stance on 1 Timothy 2:12, he went on to state, "There is no case that can be made biblically for a woman preacher. Please dont feel sad that someone disagrees with you. From an economic standpoint, thats a no brainer. Submitted by escamp on August 31, 2015 - 3:04pm. All I would say is that there was no irrational, ranting, preaching anywhere in it. "[43] Moore responded to this stance by stating on her Twitter account, "I did not surrender to a calling of man when I was 18 years old. I simply stated that the book on my Amazon feed was priced at 30 and I was not going to pay that. I dont agree that its always wrong to mock (otherwise Elijah, Paul and Jesus were wrong), and indeed sometimes mockery has its place. If he is doing wrong it will come out in the wash but just to hate on a pastor because he has money is stupid. But I find it astonishing that you cite it here in a massive church (and smaller churches) there are bound to be people who are sex abusers and the church will not always handle that well. Because your worth it! LOL! Is this success? Some might expect be to be critical of the entertainment Hillsong style worship and the whole professional stage go that goes along with it. IN terms of his preaching we do disagree. I dont do stock answers. It is the Bible watered down by a mixture of Waltonesque homespun wisdom, pop psychology, stand up comedy and an unhealthy doze of how to missiology. Its mainly a forlorn appeal but can we say to the mega churches please stop it! The challenge (as you have already pointed out) is to warn and admonish from a place of love, and of course to pray. Because he is a pastor? The screenshot below is from page 4 of Elevation Church's helpful Spontaneous Baptism How To Guide. [10], While at Bob Jones University in South Carolina, MacArthurs father recruited him to the Voice of Calvary singing quartet, often broadcast on Christian radio in Southern California. The preachers admission came amid news that Grace Community Church in Sun Valleyreceived an $800,000 settlement from Los Angeles County after defying pandemic-induced health orders. 4) Yes my point about the megachurches was that they were not per se bad. 4) Its also not a good idea to claim that you know the motives of someone you dont know. Its a nasty wee trick to try and shut someone up by complaining that they always try and have the last word if they reply then of course you are proved right and can feel self-justified. (2Tim. Googling information about his ministry will provide a number of discussions of his content. Opinion Mark Wingfield. If theyre charities (and I suspect many of them will be) then theyre monitored by OSCR, and will have to submit yearly, independently audited, accounts. However, Chandler did choose to turn a blind eye to the unbiblical teaching and behaviour of Mark Driscoll, as did Piper and Keller. I have no idea if you are particularly legalistic or not but the type of comments you were making, most certainly are. Again as an author who is tempted to mention or quote from my couple of books in every sermon, I sympathise. G White this is the mega church you are setting up as an example in opposition to Matt Chandler? The Church of England's compromise on same-sex relationships is disastrous for everyone. However I dont think it is wise or correct to take the givings of the Lords people to make oneself a millionaire actually that is sinful. "[44], In 2020 and 2021, during the COVID-19 global crisis, MacArthur contravened orders from Los Angeles County public health officials regarding services at Grace Community Church, and insisted that no one from the church had become seriously ill, despite reports to the contrary. Your comment about owning churches is actually ban on the mark. I have read only one or two books by John Piper and Timothy Keller and dont really know much about them. What talent, what ability, what fantastic communication skills, what self-belief, what a tragedy! Earlier this year his church was embroiled in a scandal over their handling of a child sexual abuse case. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3BN1lStbIw. (John MacArthur). I think about it this way would I rather sell a million copies of my books with little fruit, or sell a few hundred of each and yet have those few hundred profoundly affect and change the lives of many? And it is culturally not relevant to us at all! 4, 3-4). Its not the unadulterated Word of God for our generation. Elevation began as a Southern Baptist church in Charlotte, North Carolina in 2006. ck. "Because ours is such a free and prosperous society; it is easier for Christians to feel secure by presuming on instead of depending on God's grace." - John MacArthur. Legal Statement. 5) Yes the legalism one still stands. Simply not true. But we must not quote our own books in sermons as far as possible! New International Version Excellent post! ON the other hand you seem to be very quick to hand out your tongue lashing arrogance and childishness. So I hoped and prayed that this would not become another crash and burn mega church story. Some are good, some are bad. MacArthur told church members ahead of his sermon that many people contracted COVID and it probably went through our church in maybe December or January. The pastor said he and his wife, Patricia, enjoyed our own bout with COVID for about a week and a half.. [41] MacArthur compared the assertion that sexual orientation is a born trait to a hypothetical bank robber's protestation, "I keep robbing banks, but I'm a robber. MacArthur 12 having been Jul 25, 2017 - Explore Rhonda Johnson's board "Elevation Church", followed . You also muddied the waters by dropping in a juicy wee bit of gossip about a child sex abuse scandal. Name me one church that has handled everything well. It was neither juicy nor gossip. Market data provided by Factset. 23,12! (Genaro Molina / Los Angeles Times via Getty Images), Fox News Flash top headlines for January 3. I dont know enough about Elevation to make that kind of judgment, but there are warning signs. Follow TheWeeFlea.com on WordPress.com That is grotesque manipulation and a parody of the Gospel. As it happens I was sent this video by someone who was praising it.it is more like a political rally (complete with clapping) than a Christian sermon the misuse of Scripture about borders is bad enough but the approving citation of Donald Trump Is it time to start bombing the you know what out of ISIS (that is a biblical response) was appalling. Having said that I followed the mega church scene in the USA I was aware of what was going on in Dallas and in other places too. Im sorry, but I didnt state that I had written to you in love, though I did try very hard to temper my comment to you. The southern baptist convention of which he has been a part has distanced themselves from his ministry in the past year. And if the thousands of baptisms represent thousands of people coming to Christ, how could one not rejoice? Will you not come and revive us? He teaches a completely restored Israel shall inherit physical ownership of the land of Canaan on the earth. As so often in the church, sex, money and power are the real problems for many because they are the idols of our hearts. So far there has been no evidence given for assertion. Why not just simply deal with the facts, and leave the name calling aside? The trouble is that these churches are so massive and wealthy that they can afford to send their pastors all over the world, exporting their dodgy theology and even dodgier ecclesiology. It happens. From 20052015, MacArthur made about $3.4 million in compensation from GTY and TMUS, for an average of about $320,000/year. Chandler, a Reformed evangelical pastor, spoke as a guest speaker at Elevation last Friday, the third night of the Code Orange Revival. (What a great sales pitch why dont you try it next time David I will even make the trip to Dundee to hear you). Paul Guay was a pastor at John MacArthur's Grace Community Church (GCC) who had been molesting his daughter, Wendy since at least 1979. Thank you for your answer re the mega church your reason for mentioning Dallas Baptist Church favourably is because you know a young man who did some good mission work. "We are not heard for our many words, but for the cry of our hearts." If that is the last word then so be it. Theres clearly no transparency or accountability at Elevation Church! But it takes a lot of hard work, time, and money to do what we do. Check out what's clicking on Foxnews.com. pokmon the series xyz. When people are being led astray genuine believers must stand up challenge and expose. [20] The event featured a number of speakers who argued for cessationist theology and strongly critiqued the Charismatic Movement. L ast week, John MacArthur celebrated 50 years in the pastorate at a conference at his congregation Grace Community Church. He has to answer to God of where is heart is and how he gets or gives the money he has. Firstly in the teaching. Very pleased with the approval of an $800,000 settlement and total win for my clients, @johnmacarthur and @GraceComChurch, on behalf of @ThomasMoreSoc. Marantha! Terribly, the younger folks dont appear to have the foundation in the word to smell it out. And also trying to get to know what God says in His Word and please stop shouting at those you know nothing about. I want you to know that I am not doing this for your sake, declares the Sovereign Lord. . John MacArthur. [14] In 1986, he was made President of the new Master's Seminary. As a southern Christian (in North Carolina), Im truly thankful you posted one of Alistair Beggs videos to show the contrast between Truth presented with integrity and intellegence, and the slick mass market Charlotte speed preaching thats become hip with mega church crowds. End of Discussion. Our statement: pic.twitter.com/Rin5W7eA8x, Jenna Ellis (@JennaEllisEsq) August 31, 2021. I d not think there is any man alive especially a young man who could cope with this degree of adulation and not have his head explode with pride. 1) I did not come on to your blog and say that Matt Chandler was not a good example of how the gospel should be lived. The news clip above catalogues the controversy about his $1.8 million new build house caused. John MacArthur is the pastor of Grace Community Church in SunValley, California, a neighborhood in Los Angeles. L.A. County has reportedly spent nearly $1 million in attorneys fees and other costs since the legal battle with Grace Community Church began. MacArthur told her she needed to model for her children how to "suffer for Jesus" by enduring David's abuse. point taken). But if the theology and ecclesiology is off, then alarm bells start ringing. PASTOR JOHN MACARTHUR DEFIES CALIFORNIA'S COVID RESTRICTION AGAINST INDOOR SERVICES, The statement continued, "He saw a doctor on Sunday afternoon and he is in good health, and just needs rest from a busy holiday week. Where is the blessed self-forgetfulness? [16][17], Central to MacArthur's theology is a very high view of scripture (the 66 books of the Protestant Bible). I can write the e-mails. He picked out three words from Joshua 10, 12 (Sun stand still) and turned them into a doctrine, and he peppered his performance with occasional biblical quotes to back it up. He was unable to preach the second service. There is nothing that makes me believe in God and the Gospel more than the church in all its beauty, and there is nothing makes me doubt more than the church in all its ugliness. "Many of you are praying for Pastor Johns health due to his absence from the pulpit during the second service. During the event, MacArthur accused the Southern Baptist Convention of . 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