Walking or biking dont have those painful associations for me and are thus easier on me mentally. Its also almost impossible to judge a situation from one account one letter, in this instance. It also meant i felt comfortable telling him things as they came up, instead of hiding them or lying because I knew I could trust his reaction. 3. At all. Hello, me from the past! But, as I pointed out, were different people. I certainly noticed the drop in my fitness when I moved cities to a place where I could no longer walk to work every day. What this involves is offering your emotional openness and love (instead of the tension of stress, fear and needing something to be happy). I hope what the various letter writers get out of this sort of advice is perhaps support that what feels uncomfortable and off to them in a way that's hard to describe is actually terrible no good behaviour. Back in the dim times, when I was young and dewy and dinosaurs still roamed the planet, and I was married to my starter husband, I was unhappy with our relationship. So every time he drove me to a surprise, which slowly morphed into _every fucking date_, I had all this tension and stress. It seems like work to go on about our day and converse about minutiae, but well do it because girls like that stuff. Whatever you could do today is enough. Aargh, accidentally hit reply before done editing. Walking is brilliant (assuming you have the spoons and physical ability to do it) its gentler on your joints than a lot of other cardio, you dont need special clothing, and its free. Its okay that I attended to that other stuff first. The Silent Treatment is a HUGE red flag for me. You've forgotten your dreams. A common problem is people trying to push people to ignore their new physical limitations and overexert themselves, and this is really dangerous. Its just whining, the fact is that if you really care about someone, you want to impress them. Hi all, My boyfriend and I have been going out now little over 2yrs, we've had our ups and downs but through it all we've stuck together but the last few months he has focused all his attention and efforts into his car and job, and I've no problem with it as long as he can still make a bit time for me even if its jus a call in the eveing or a text like I fully support him with everything . In the latter casetry the scripts here for some firmer words of quit that already, mention that you *have* a therapist and this is their *job* and his job now is to be a listening ear and a source of happiness and relaxation, and if he still refuses to comply, dump him. He says that he still loves me even if I dont do these things (but it doesnt feel that way to me). From the information we have from the letter, Id say theres an incorrect assumption hiding in there. What kind of wording do you want me to use? But Im definitely not saying you need to DTMF right away. I only do that in ways that SHE has approved, and that weve mutually decided would be comfortable and appropriate for me to do. That is exactly the right way to help, I think. One of my partners was doing something like this for a spell there. One person I dated who trampled all over my boundaries and was generally terrible would tell me that he was challenging me and that it was good to be a relationship with someone who.trampled all over your boundaries? Cant think of a more clear way to phrase it. And its going to be almost impossible to dump him because youre so invested in him but you arent going to get better if he keeps breathing down your neck. You should always have an independent life that doesnt revolve around anyone else. If you can see your fine self, he might fear that you he has to keep you under his thumb to keep you by his side. The inevitable consequences to him & many people he cared about just outweighed any potential satisfaction far too drastically. Its ok to challenge yourself sometimes and then hang out in your comfortable space! Thing is, Ive been dealing with depression, anxiety, and etc for a few years now and Im JUST NOW to the point where doing even X is a major accomplishment. Your Mileage May Vary. Reasonable. Give him some space to take care of his things and do what he needs to do before you start making demands on how much time he should be spending with you or expecting that your relationship will always come first every single time without question. If your guy used to care and suddenly cant be bothered, thats a red flag. Pick one.. As I was reading the original letter, I was thinking that the question ought to be how to break up with him. Maybe it is unfair, but my first reaction to the collection of things he wants LW to work on was Boyfriend is trying to sculpt a thinner partner.. If a relationship is making you unhappy, you do not have to bend yourself into a pretzel to try and make it work. Dont communicate with him except through text/email (if you feel it will be less intense than talking on the phone or in person) or calling each other constantly throughout the day when there are only going to be more fights about who called first and why so much time has passed without either of you initiating contact. Please support me in that by having relaxing with me, not coaching.. Walking is much better for me, sure it isnt strenuous (seriously, WTF????) They are what they are, and you cant force someone to evolve. Accepting you means accepting that. Scrolling through my phone. It didnt! Tell your boyfriend once that you've noticed that he stopped sending text messages. Finally, I also worry a bit about something almost the opposite of not wanting to help you through hard times, which is not wanting you to get better. Get out into nature together take a day trip, if you need to. Depression is a mix of the chemical/biological and the situational, while youre working to treat the illness and silence the mean scripts from your Jerkbrain, you might find great improvements in your lifeif you freed yourself from a constant external source of criticism. I had to work this out with my young man. What happened to the man who always had his arm wrapped around your shoulder and never looked at another girl as long as you were both together? I do find that if Im in a good place, exercise will help jump-start my mood if Im in danger of falling into a depression and it helps maintain my positive mood and energy. Some people need their partner to be less than them so they feel secure. And if hes not interested in investigating ways to help you were back to Case A: Raging Arsehole. Logic and reason arent really qualities that describe people. Usually in the interest of my mental and physical health, but also a little bit because living with someone who has panic attacks can be exhausting especially when they dont always take the best care of themselves (guilty). Good luck on your journey, LW! It is better to be on your own than to have the weight of someone elses expectations on you. I have been dating my boyfriend for 2 years and living together for 1. Hell yeah! I spent 10 years in this same spot eventually he broke up with me because I was not trying hard enough to evolve as a person. Its only been 8 months since that happened, but I havent been this happy in years. There are other ways to address issues without him going cold on you. Hlepy people may accept correctionor they may not. LW, if you feel like this isnt the most useful idea for you, thats okay. When things improve, can the caretaker let go and not calcify your roles into The Helper and The One Who Needs Help? Even if improvement is made, it wont be enough to him, and he can still be in charge. This! Respect is really important in relationships. I told him that, he asked me what he should do instead, and I couldnt answer him. My thoughts are with you, LW! LW, if he is not listening to your stated boundaries, its not because you are not being clear/logical/reasonable enough so he can understand. I spent four years in a relationship like that, where nothing was ever good enough and taking steps to be a better Me was met with derision and controlling behaviours, and I know so much how hard it is. Dear LW, Slowly cut these people out of your life. What can I do for them?, Im sad because the person I love is being sad at me, and it would be so much easier if they were happy. It can help to be accountable, and say to someone else hey, Im having trouble doing this Thing, so can you help me by setting a time to do Thing together?, but only if this is a need *you* have identified, and its *your* solution that youre asking to put in place. So in order to save your relationship, you need to find out what is going on and take corrective action if necessary. You are not the target demographic. Dating you is a privilege you get to grant people, not a burden someone is doing you the favour of shouldering. Well here are some tips what to do when your boyfriends stop texting. Anyway, enough about me. There doesnt have to be any malice or entitlement in it. Dump him and flee, because you are not a heap, and you are not an embryo. ", But It is indeed hard. I wasnt being adventurous enoughby knowing for myself what I wanted to drink. Theres nothing logical or reasonable about badgering your partner or dismissing their feelings. I dont know if I would have reached the threshold for clinical depression since I never did the therapy thing, but my self care was pretty pathetic and I wasnt working or studying enough. Cause this happens to me a lot, both with migraines and depression. I felt like I had to fix it and if I just explained my feelings enough (cus he was a Nice Guy and would never do anything to hurt me and never cheated on me) he would stop unintentionally making me miserable and there was no Proper Reason to do it. He may feel like criticizing you is the only way to help. LW, if you want the thoughts of a former terrible girlfriend, mine are: Your boyfriend isnt concerned about you. So hes trying to use your own recovery to manipulate you youre not just exercising because you want to, youre exercising because HE wants you to in the way he wants. Because that kind of encouragement would have felt patronizing to him, were he receiving it. Controlling guys will often immediately come on strong, which can be very flattering. Thankfully, I like to cook, and shell eat anything I put in front of her except fish, so getting a healthy meal into her is relatively easy. Let him know youre concerned and explain why. Focus on your own emotional, spiritual, and physical health. When people get all up on how logical and not swayed by petty emotions they are, I always end up thinking about the narrator of Ancillary Justice an AI whos been programmed with emotions because they *allow her to make better decisions*. May I just say that I love the analogy of a starter husband the one that makes you learn what to look out for next time. We are high maintenance and needy, its all caused by our hormones (and that somehow makes it funny/unimportant), we are dismal and pathetic. And then we left my therapists office, and he spent the entire car ride home and the next 8 hours telling me why my therapist was completely useless and how we were going to do things his way or we werent going to do them at all. Ive asked him to stop trying to get me to change, that you cant change other people, but he refuses to accept that, to the point that he says its the stupidest thing hes ever heard. What would be his next project if you suddenly started following all his rules precisely? Im so angry that you have cancer; its unfair and I hate to see you suffering. Reasonable. Telling me I am not being logical. He says I need to do more, try harder, and not let myself be comfortable., are moreRed Flags. The relationship is no longer going anywhere, Ill let you have your way simply so we can stop talking about it. As I recovered from the depression we had a couple of myob talks about lunch time menus, weight and health (soup was a bit of a red herring here). They write because stuff is horrible and awful and they cant work out how to fix it (without breaking up). you can do it! the whole time. It sounds like you two have a chance. Soudns like hed already evolved into a wanker. Or is his logic/reason for believing this just that it makes sense in his head and should therefore make sense in the real world? Yeah, he sounds like a lot of bad voices like an A Capella Choir of Angst. I dont know if that makes sense? All good things. There are the ones who will, when lovingly-but-firmly redirected, go and renovate the bathroom instead, and then there are the ones who wont. But in my mind, that state of challenge turns into a nightmare if thats ALL youre doing. I hope that your boyfriend is willing to listen, and that he can eventually be supportive in the way that *you need him to be. You deserve to be with someone who shows you respect who likes you the way you are, who isnt always trying to fix you and who listens when you ask him to stop certain behaviours rather than telling you your request is ridiculous. So, his motives dont come *just* from the knowledge that she wants to get better. Neither he or my Dad told me about their doubts until I was well established and was making money, by which time their initial suspicions were funny stories, not immensely damaging and potentially hindering my progress. The world outside of math isnt like that. But now he doesnt seem interested in getting to know them or spending time with them. I would say the effect of increased exercise on my mental health is . Your bf is trying to make you break up with him. If he is unhappy in the relationship, this makes him less inclined to make an effort. I should have left him at various points throughout the relationship but I just didnt see how bad it was until I had the vantage of hindsight. Hlep is that thing that looks like help and is presented in a context that would normally surround helpuntil you blink and look again and realize that it isnt help at all. Im glad the accidentally-posted link might be of use to you, and Im sorry that youre dealing with stuff similar to Drownings letter. Your dreams for the future have taken a back seat. LW, heres the thing about our Jerkbrains: theyre jerks. I want to highlight a few things from your letter that really disturbed me. Replace depression with cancer, and see what Im talking about. Can you sock some money away for a rainy day? And really, your joy is important. 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