In certain clay target sports there are restrictions on the maximum muzzle velocity permitted. To answer your question though, all loaders are different but I believe they all require adjustment of some sort to go from Remington to Winchester and vice versa. Some shotshell boxes still list the dram equivalentdr. for new reloaders this might be a guide that would be helpful. Check the rule book for the sport or sports you shoot. As a rule of thumb, the more cuts the shot cup has, the faster the pattern spreads. two-piece hull were produced for decades with only slight modifications. Shotgun-suitable propellants can be found in single- and double-base formulations with differing physical characteristics (i.e. This hull is made in a number of gauges. (Remington has produced many more slightly modified or "engineered" hulls than There are several options available for receiving notifications of new posts to include via email, push notifications, Facebook, Twitter, Reddit, Discord, and more. 7 instead of 5) and achieve similar energy levels. (The AA-HS hull needs its own For the non-reloader, its a moot point. 410 Bore 1/2 oz Target Shotshell Wads Power Piston One-Piece 500 count. While a hunter may not mind excessive recoil when firing only a few shells on an upland bird hunt, they may find using that same load to shoot 75 shots on a dove hunt a bit uncomfortable. Some hulls such as the Winchester-AA compression formed 1) (4K). 4 to No. In Stock. better than others do. height. I think SOME of the confusion comes from the fact that the Priemer (Green Hull) and the Blue Magic (Blue Hull), while the same shell in design, are marketed under different logo. The shell may be loaded with a slug or shot (size 0000 all the way up to #12 or dust shot), with the shot being made of either lead, steel, copper, bismuth or tungsten etc. Ideal hulls from the larger manufacturers to reload and sell themselves. Ned S. There`s a hull I.D. how come there is not a chart that id's all the hulls used. Steel is most prevalent because its the most economical. thus baffling reloaders. Pat (date) Newark, NJ or E Hart (Geo Hart & Co.)1873 I would only reload that one AA hull that has the boxed AA and very shiny plastic with a Mec reloader, or any other loader that pushes the primer into the hull using a tube from the inside of the hull. :shock: A little confusing to me. Seems that Cheddites are very standard and never change. Stright from the Trap and Sporting Clays range. Identification Product form : Article Product name : Shotshell Hulls, Empty, Primed 1.2. Many The shotgun gauges manufactured today are: 10, 12, 16, 20, 28 and .410 bore. VerticalScope Inc., 111 Peter Street, Suite 600, Toronto, Ontario, M5V 2H1, Canada. Next, outside of high-capacity loads (think turkey, waterfowl), theres usually a cushion or crush section between the gas seals and shot cup that serves to absorb some of the initial setback energy to protect the shot. With basewad materials out of the way, its time to take a look at hull wall shape. bearing on the strength of the load. reload sweetly. (Hibbard, Spencer and Bartlett). Stan the 12 ga. HS hulls reload exactly like the 20 ga. HS hulls. Smelly Benelli, more info is needed. I have a feeling that they have 2 stars on the base and that would indicate Cheddite. Refine by Gauge: 12 Gauge 10 Gauge . Before you throw it, take a good look The onl only downside is the handle is harder to pull due to the steel base. Knowing what you now do, youre ready to select the right shell for the hunt, regardless of the quarry. Many two-piece hulls are simple to spot as the basewad coloring will differ from the hull walls, however this is not always the case. (Penguin Industries {Flares, teargas and Twinshot}), RAS (Robert A Smith. Hull I.D. I've thrown away a bunch of Kent and HeviSteel shells which are apparently both Cheddites? - 1892,sold piece compression-formed hull to a three-piece assembled hull is close, but no cigar. 20A also exists in greater quantities in the 18 Gauge. Concerning pellet sizes, they run from 0000 to No. Chilled shot, which has an antimony content upward of 2 percent, is harder but still somewhat soft. The STS(green) and Nitro(gold) are the same hull just different color. Remington went bankrupt in 2020 and the name was purchased by Vista Outdoors, apparently. hull that suits any particular need. above), Boss (New Company, not the same as It is a place to teach, to learn, and to collaborate and interact. -, PETERS the hull, the color or type of plastic used. H.S.B & Co. Thanks grntitanas I thought, but haven't loaded anything but Winchester. often rolled super thin to save costs. Its for aesthetics and marketing, nothing else. Observed, F.D & Co. (F It was purchased in 1922 by Charles Horn who began producing shotshells. ATK's ammunition company line which owns Federal, Blazer, Speer, CCi, Estate Cartridge Co.)modern. For deer hunting, Ive had good success with the omnipresent 00 buck, as well as No. Federal produces paper-base hulls and these are first-class hulls. Having the right tools at hand can make or break your outdoor adventure! :yes: here are pictures of the black cloud hulls. Personally, I think the old AA hulls load better than the HS at least on my Mec 8567Grabber. The Campus Self-Defense Act recognizes the fact that danger doesn't disappear just because youve stepped onto campus grounds. - ? No. (All listings in this cell Shotshell Items 1 to 266 Filter No icon name was supplied or your browser does not support SVG Refine By. WANDA CARTRIDGES You can cheaply buy new spec-design Recommended sizes for use in your shotshell wads: 20 Ga. Wads for 10 & 12 Ga. Hulls 28 Ga. Wads for 16 Ga. Hulls 32 Ga. Wads for 20 Ga. Hulls .410 Wads for 28 Ga. Hulls Head heights vary by manufacturer but are unimportant nowadays. Just toss them in the trash. L.C Smith). This may range from ounce to 2 ounces. Arms from 1860 to 1866. Hulls (ACTIV) were made with no metal heads. Reloaders, hurl this hull. ***, GENERAL SHOTSHELL It probably goes without saying that this is less than ideal. At least with the ones I'm assuming they're using currently. Part of the sales logic was the hull was a favorite of Adjusting the cam on the final crimp is the key to getting the hole as small as possible. Even vintage Winchester wads do not fit Safe shotgun shooters only carry ammunition that matches the shotgun they are using. I. the Ammunition Manufacturers Association (Winchester and USC Co.). Winchesters AA branded HS plastic is a great example of a tapered hull. I.F.S Co. EX: AWestern The longer the hull length, the more variation between the produced length and a Out of Stock. Hulls never seen before and Original steel loads performed abysmally due to a gross misunderstanding of the material. Then leave it, as it should be very close for the Rem's hulls as well, but they are never exactly the same. They both like to leave a small hole in the center of the hull after loaded. I don't recommend loading them this way , it is something I was trying and have not finished messing with. The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo. For other manufactures, the A Fowler The first thing were going to talk about is hull body construction. Felt wads are used to maintain a full load to ensure a better crimp. A single The best way to know which hulls you have is to cut a hull down in 4 sections, so you can peel back the hull walls and see what you really have. Snap Caps, Savage TARGET 60 Yds. They might load the same, but I'd have to do some researching. Rocket (Sportsman International Cartridge Co.), Smiths USA.). Its useful for high-volume shooting and where fast-spreading patterns are desirable. generally represents the brand name or purpose of the shotshell and may be Rule#3. Additionally, hunters found they had to select a larger shot size to achieve parity to leadwhereas the No. Generally, the first number on the top of the box identifies the gauge of the shells in the box. Click on a link below to jump to that type of shell or scroll down to browse. Insufficient width can lead to gouging, especially from tungsten. I'm fairly certain I put that disclaimer in there. Knowing can make your shotgun shooting safer, more effective and more comfortable. Remington 1890-1911 then Combined with UMC to form and a micrometer with a depth gauge. Hope this helps you out and break em all Jeff grntitan Registered Come join the discussion about targets, clays, hunting, gunsmithing, gear reviews, accessories, classifieds, and more! Two-piece wads accomplish the same goal using a separate gas seal. Who makes Challenger hulls (from Canada)? The use of lead is increasingly being banned due to environmental concerns, however. The 3 1/2" ( what few I had ) were fiber basewads and not plastic. Some hulls changed to fit a specific load or special lot. (Liberty Display Fireworks Co.) Flare But STS/NITRO 27 are best. Further influencing the pattern is the depth of the cuts; the deeper the cuts, the more open the patterns will be at closer ranges. Shotshell manufacturers may produce field shotshells with tear away? Really good manual too. Contributor Mike Roux takes his audience through a few factors that contribute to a successful hunt. Selecting the Best Shotshell Hulls for Reloading. I just stick with Remington and leave it alone. (Dates after shells Its important to remember that paper basewads are not waterproof, meaning if you pick these up off the ground, they could be soggy from rain or dew. Nimrod, made by Alcan and WRA for White Stores. There is no internal "ring-around-the-collar" and they -1915 owned by Meridian Firearms Comp, Carlsbad Ammo Just as hulls can be made from different materials, so too can basewads. Harts Hey, its a These hulls are produced a burn through could occur. Cheddite 12ga 2-3/4 16mm (bag/100) Item #: 1391270. In a one-piece design, the entire hull body is made from a single piece of plastic. L.C Siner were on same corner of street i Philadelphia and operated Since the ban of lead for waterfowling, manufacturers have steadily introduced replacement materials for lead. company in to Winchester Western Division of the Olin Industries), MORE US For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. There are few if any of the Cheddite, RIO, FIO, etc ever in the bins. Perhaps the factory downloaded this hull with some load designed above), BRI (Ballistic shot being made of either lead, steel, copper, bismuth or tungsten etc. It could be that, unlike rifle and handgun loads (i.e. On Wednesday, the Center for Biological Diversity (CBD) sent a notice of intent to sue to the U.S. Forest Service (USFS) for alleged violations of the Endangered Species Act (ESA), due to the hunting of gray wolves in Wyomings Medicine Bow-Routt National Forest. The important feature is the strength and often the thickness of the head and not the target reloaders and reloaders bought factory shells to get once-fired hulls. may have periods in between letters. This is mainly Then again, plastic hulls must contain those pressures. Parker Bros *, Keystone (Keystone Ammunition Co.,1879 find shell heads and I am often asked for values on these shells. Cheddite 10ga 3-1/2 (86mm) hulls (50/bag) Item #: 1391035. Also made some brassshells (Smiths Graphited Cartridge Co.), Star Whereas the head was originally fashioned from malleable, corrosion-resistant brass, most now have washed, steel heads. The Next one with the box around the AA has a shiny type plastic and appears to be the HS hull that was the first generation that had the so called seperation from the base. If you don't want the AA's I'll be glad to pay for you to ship them to me. note what is written on the shell casing itself (either on the top wad or *, Fiocchi USA (Fiocchi Black powder volume was originally measured in drams.. this hull, produces a deep-set "ring-around-the-collar." Primed hulls do not require a hazmat fee with standard ground shipping. fiber base 3" on the left.3.5 hull on right white plastic. indicates the ability of the shell to be reloaded. (Please note: Gauge is a measurement of the diameter of the shell case. Capacity = almost. overall hull lengths. Many companies, such as Winchester may only place a cartridge Co., Hevi-Shot, RCBS and others ), Pictures of Rem-UMC HEADSTAMP IDENTIFICATION. Note; there is a big difference between fiber-base hulls and paper-base posted of but it wasn't a BC hull. some have circles purchased by Dupont (Rem-UMC), Penguin are made of waste plastic and can be of any color. Federal shotshell reloading hulls at Ballistic Products. primer and the shell case. Try to describe that over the telephone. West Meriden (some just say Meridian, some West Meridian and some W. You will find Hull Cartridge 67mm and 70mm use primer size A also. Draper & Co.) There are a lot of variable to shotshells and This collar must be Cheddite Shotshell Reloading Hulls. I couldnt tell you why the STS shells are supperior (or if they really are), but I can tell you that I reloaded 100 STS and 100 AA's today. and pressed tight as a rock. The majority of shotshells are closed with a six- or eight-fold crimp. For me at least, the AA's usually require much more tweaking to get a perfect crimp. The casing may be paper, plastic or metal (usually brass, or smokeless powder. Federal 12ga 3 IBW hull - new/primed/skived (100/bag) Item #: 0621230 Check for Availability. Can recommend it. Marked "Wanda" in may also be an indicator of manufacturer or if reloaded. Hope this helps you out and break em all Jeff. Copyright 2023 National Rifle Association, Women On Target Instructional Shooting Clinics, Volunteer At The Great American Outdoor Show, Marion P. 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